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uh this is my condition from Appliance

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Health investigating committee on this

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night of the 18th of April uh

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interviewing uh

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what's your name your full name my name

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is Dale F Spore how do you spell that

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last name s-p-a-u-r sir all right go

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ahead

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my address I'd rather my home address

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and my phone number I'd rather not have

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recorded

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I'm a deputy sheriff of Portage County

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in Vanna Ohio

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my shield number is number 15.

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my education has uh only High School

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the special training uh police training

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my military service was Air Force and

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here plus what

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I was in the Air Force my only special

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training in the Air Force was from Air

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refueling uh special uh training I have

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did you fly yes sir I was uh

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selected to be the Commander's Aid in

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Africa so I

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is with him quite a bit

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day of April 1966

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the locality of observation

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was a state route of 224

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east of State Route 44 four miles ahead

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of the day four miles yes and west of

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183.

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I observed this vehicle for

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approximately 85 minutes

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when the Federal Communications log of

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I don't know the seconds on that

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the weather conditions was clear

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was it done in the morning was it really

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good visibility was very good uh I guess

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we had no no fault Pockets so no

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problems with visibility at all

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the position of the Moon uh

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I would call it a quarter moon would

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have been due east

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uh

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if you were parked on 224 at the same

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location I was would have been due east

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from there

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the observation was made of the object

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uh when we first seen it was coming from

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the west south of 224 Southwest or

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through the column

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it was done

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and and the moon was visible with one

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bite spot to its side I don't know the

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name of it uh I'm not familiar with

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astronomy or anything but there was a

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star or a planet just on the south side

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of the moon when you were looking East

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and about the same altitude if there was

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a picture on the moon it would have been

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let out from his nose probably you go

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ahead and tell your story now complete

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uh

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I have served this vehicle come up from

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a wooded area at a very low altitude

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it was uh just clearing the Treetops at

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this time

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I observed it coming up

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very bright it was a very bright object

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and so it was larger than anything I had

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anticipated

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ever seeing a

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in the air

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in this condition or anything

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it uh traveled very slowly it was only a

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faint home in the area there was no

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noise no traffic on the highway beside

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us either to the right or

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north or south of us there was no

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disturbances in the neighborhood just

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this humming noise

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um

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I was making a visual observation of the

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area after stopping to check a car I

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sought to be abandoned

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told my partner or my rider at this time

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Grover naft

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and that I asked him if he would look

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over his shoulder to see if

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if he could see this thing

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at this time it was still moving very

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he saw it very clearly the object or

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vehicle or whatever you might want to

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call it craft or

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Etc

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I came

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just up the south side of the highway in

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an easterly Direction

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it came to uh

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pause or a momentarily stop it then

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came directly north

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right over the two vehicles together the

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abandoned car and my police car

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it covered I

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it was so bright I I could say that it

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was very close to us from 50 to uh not

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more than 100 feet above us

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my first thoughts I was very scared I

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I didn't know exactly what was happening

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I I didn't know what to expect I had the

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the only feeling was to get something

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between me and whatever this thing was

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the only thing for me to go to or

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towards was the cruiser which when I

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started the Barney went the other way

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didn't seem to want to hurt us

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I tried the radio it uh did not

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malfunction it uh the carrier trip very

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well I informed the station that the

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subject that had been cited was

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directly over us

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I did not uh

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try to fill them in or what was

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happening until I could make sure that

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my imagination hadn't exploded

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at this time after advising them of this

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object

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uh I gave the message to dispatcher the

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vehicle move just to the north side of

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the road

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it uh paused or hesitated momentarily

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it then crossed back over the road

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almost in The Identical spot

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it over the through the vehicles right

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and then

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the uh you could hear this one humming

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I don't know how I explained it

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did change tones as though it might have

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gone into a slight higher pitch if you

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had one of these music things like when

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I was in school a long time ago right I

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forgot the name of it uh

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um

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what increased its altitude and moved

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Eastern in an easterly Direction and

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about the same time

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it moved around 253 250 300 feet just

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east Dallas and hesitated

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but this time Sergeant schoenfeld came

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on the radio wanted to know if we were

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still observing this object

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I informed him that we were watching

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and he wanted to know if we had a camera

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I told him no he says that we should try

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to observe the vehicle

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try to pursue it or stay with it as long

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as possible keep it under surveillance

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report any findings that we found

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anything that we might identify to prove

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or disprove it to see if it was a

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balloon

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until he could get some units in the

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area

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a photographer or another unit or with a

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photographic equipment or a hold of one

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of the police departments that this

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thing might be traveling towards

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we started out behind the vehicle it

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made no attempt to

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leave us immediately or anything

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we went due east on 224

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we had to make a South turn on 183 for a

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distance to pick up 224 again

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and making the South turn

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the vehicle was directly to our rear

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window

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uh

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we went to 224 and 183 again we turned

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left

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which would put us in an easterly

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Direction the vehicle was two hour left

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it was immediately to our left as though

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this thing had hesitated again I

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couldn't say that it actually stopped

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and waited to see where we were going

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but I had a handful of car

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the vehicle or the subject or whatever

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it was at this time started an easterly

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direction again

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was very clear

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it seemed to maintain the course

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for approximately three quarters to a

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mile

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it then came due south

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you may have moved up the East Direction

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and went South came south over top of

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224 remained on the south side of 224

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to just about the Berlin Reservoir but

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this time it was traveling at 83 miles

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an hour

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uh

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it never made any efforts that had

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increased its altitude however to

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approximately 500 feet

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at Berlin Reservoir

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Crossing water's edge and a bound to

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county line or after I had just passed a

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county line

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uh the vehicle came back to the north

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side of 224

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this uh

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I did this are you sure that the the

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actual the object actually moves in this

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direction

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or it uh was rolled straight at this

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time oh yes sir the road is uh very

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straight very straight okay okay uh so

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there's no curse in this at all the only

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time that we went around many objects

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was that Deerfield Circle uh which the

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road would run right through there's a

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circle in the middle so you go around

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and come right back out on it that

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there's no uh sharp angles or anything

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of this nature

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the vehicle then continued East it uh

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still uh made no uh effort to leave us

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and started increasing its speed

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uh could I ask you one question right

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about here we asked you and what

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position on the windshield were you able

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to see the object uh middle the lower

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part or the upper part well it uh when

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it was on the North side it would be

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just above the mid part of the

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windshield uh inside the post with the

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the object uh viewing it uh at an angle

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and the car would have been between the

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rear view mirror and the uh and the post

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of the windshield how far down to the

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top uh

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over this time I don't remember if I was

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bent over uh observing it or if I was

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looking from a full setting position I

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know that uh Barney had leaned forward

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and was watching it from his side of the

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vehicle I and I couldn't state if I had

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leaned forward would you say that the

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elephant was low very low sir very low

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what was your what was your estimate of

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distance away from you I would say that

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uh my estimate I would estimate my

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distance at this time as we were moving

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at approximately

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three quarters in length or the length

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of a football field at 100 yards to our

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immediate left or north of 224c

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then you also say uh in my talk last

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night that uh

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it did light up objects and uh like the

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crane and things of that nature yes

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until it did increase its Solitude it

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seems or so uh this flight uh

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in a definite space did curtail itself

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at uh uh at this time

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however after had increased its altitude

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it was

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too far to the uh away from the edge

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that we could watch yet see the road

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driving see what was happening on the

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ground at the same time it's uh it would

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have meant we had to either give up

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observing the vehicle and try to observe

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what was happening on the ground and at

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this time I the ground wasn't even in my

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mind I'd never entered it

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we followed it uh it did a one-time

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gained quite a bit of altitude this is

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uh only would have been coming into

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Canfield uh as for its reason for doing

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it I don't know but it did stay in a

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distinct pattern right beside the

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highway

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uh

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coming into Unity when the vehicle had

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had

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given up part of its Solitude again and

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so it went back down where it could look

293
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things over and I'm I'm saying this is

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what it appeared to be doing I don't

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know what it was going

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uh

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at this time the East Palestine Cruiser

298
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came in behind us this was the only

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Cruiser that didn't make connections at

300
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this time it could could get on the road

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with us

302
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he in turn fell in behind me the vehicle

303
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at this time was clocking 103 miles an

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hour

305
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it showed the same there was a deviation

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of about a half mile between the two

307
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speedometers as we were going along

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um

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what route uh this is uh

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51

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are you over to 24 now I'm not sure if

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this is what we went off of it or not I

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I don't remember exactly when we

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switched routes I uh I was uh

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and the roads are not familiar with me

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and a couple of times like when there

317
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was obstructions or views there I had to

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have Bonnie to maintain complete contact

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and I maneuvered through these uh bad

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only uh immunity uh I know the town name

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of the town I didn't know at this time I

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found it out on my return trip

323
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[Music]

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these Palestine car came in behind me

325
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poisoning is the Palestine Park Wayne

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Houston he's a patrolman in his son was

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he by himself yes he was he was he was

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all alone in his car

329
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he was trying to after he immediately

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picked up the object and he could

331
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observe it very well with us when he

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seen that Versace was there we were

333
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running with it

334
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uh

335
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dispatcher evidently was a little tired

336
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of something and he couldn't get him to

337
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quite understand he had not been copying

338
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the traffic from the units in Pursuit

339
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uh

340
00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:05,459
at this time he was trying to get him to

341
00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:09,060
uh I heard his traffic uh I think it was

342
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a Chippewa a police barracks or Chippewa

343
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State Police variants

344
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that he was trying to get on the uh

345
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road that someone might take over this

346
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Pursuit which I was advised

347
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:24,600
after reaching at this point and getting

348
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into the Pennsylvania line that uh

349
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uh as soon as we could get a vehicle or

350
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someone to observe it in pursuit of it

351
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that we should break off Pursuit and

352
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return to our own bail Ricks that's

353
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,360
pretty hard to do wasn't it

354
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after changing it up so far and then

355
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they're letting go so it uh it didn't

356
00:16:52,370 --> 00:16:49,920
seem to mind uh

357
00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:52,380
uh how many cars now we're following

358
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this object this is two of us this is my

359
00:16:59,329 --> 00:16:57,660
South and uh where Wayne Houston is

360
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behind us yes

361
00:17:09,289 --> 00:17:00,720
uh

362
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there's a massive Bridges or roads and

363
00:17:14,809 --> 00:17:12,780
cutoffs he was trying to directly Wing

364
00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:14,819
through the routes as to which direction

365
00:17:19,970 --> 00:17:17,579
we were trying to guess it would go and

366
00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:19,980
he told me which route we were going to

367
00:17:24,590 --> 00:17:21,720
take he was steering me tell me take

368
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:24,600
this ramp so this way go that way this

369
00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:26,640
was all a very high speed I was

370
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depending on his directions to be

371
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accurate

372
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uh as a matter of fact part of what

373
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:35,460
we've done was not uh not very skillful

374
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I I was that we didn't use any caution

375
00:17:43,850 --> 00:17:40,860
at all

376
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in other words you were Reckless that's

377
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,120
where we were

378
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um

379
00:17:52,909 --> 00:17:50,640
the thing that I think uh corn was there

380
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:52,919
at Rochester now I think this is what

381
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:54,720
happened that uh

382
00:18:00,770 --> 00:17:58,320
well it actually it shocked me and I

383
00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:00,780
couldn't uh I didn't see anything I

384
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:03,059
Wayne started a transmission he did not

385
00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:04,640
finish that

386
00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:08,760
the vehicle uh when we were training

387
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,140
through all this

388
00:18:14,650 --> 00:18:12,480
spider web of whatever we were going

389
00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:14,660
through

390
00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:17,820
we figured at this point we had lost it

391
00:18:21,169 --> 00:18:19,860
there would be no no way that we could

392
00:18:24,529 --> 00:18:21,179
pick it up

393
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,539
uh had it changed directions the vehicle

394
00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:26,640
lost altitude

395
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:28,580
and was hovering right over the highway

396
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:31,500
and he waited on us

397
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,080
what kind of was it a low altitude at

398
00:18:36,909 --> 00:18:36,000
that time I'd say it about a thousand

399
00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:36,919
feet

400
00:18:42,049 --> 00:18:40,860
just waiting for it yes sir

401
00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:42,059
uh

402
00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:44,760
when the two Cruisers um Wayne and

403
00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:48,780
myself got even with it it's a

404
00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:52,140
started moving again went right back to

405
00:18:58,210 --> 00:18:55,320
the same speed again and right between

406
00:19:02,570 --> 00:18:58,220
probably 103 headsets

407
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,580
know your top speed uh evidently but I

408
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:04,799
don't know if I had if I had driven

409
00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:08,160
slower it would have gone slower or

410
00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:10,200
of what it was

411
00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:12,660
I was actually all drawing you into a

412
00:19:24,850 --> 00:19:15,720
pretty pretty much of a big smash-up

413
00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:27,230
I found out later is that Pennsylvania

414
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:29,880
yes sir this is Rochester Pennsylvania

415
00:19:36,529 --> 00:19:33,120
then we went to heart as a freedom I

416
00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:36,539
found out later like I said I don't know

417
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,220
it up in that area did you ever sound

418
00:19:42,289 --> 00:19:40,080
going here and with everything going yes

419
00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:42,299
sir we did did you meet all that noise

420
00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:45,240
uh only at intersections otherwise uh

421
00:19:51,169 --> 00:19:47,820
you know I didn't use it at all I uh

422
00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:51,179
there was no no reason to raise a lot of

423
00:19:55,549 --> 00:19:53,940
Hell or to scare everybody to death

424
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:55,559
uh what about your life did you ever

425
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,660
like going yes I did have my red light

426
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,520
going for the purpose of maybe someone

427
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,960
going to work that early in the morning

428
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,120
or something and I had forgotten at this

429
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,280
time it was Sunday morning uh

430
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:07,440
uh so that no one backed out of a

431
00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:09,780
driveway into the church

432
00:20:14,029 --> 00:20:12,059
and maybe I should have some more

433
00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:14,039
um

434
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:16,740
as we were mining through freedom and

435
00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:19,260
stuff and there was some roads to the

436
00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:22,740
road I uh I was getting real low on fuel

437
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:26,940
they came into Conway as we were going

438
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,980
through Conway uh towards Pittsburgh

439
00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:34,320
there was this other police vehicle

440
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:36,900
sitting there

441
00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:40,500
we turned real quick and locked them up

442
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,390
we informed the officer of what we were

443
00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:49,679
doing he informed us that he had been

444
00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:52,260
observing the same object

445
00:20:58,190 --> 00:20:55,740
but that he wasn't going to say anything

446
00:21:00,650 --> 00:20:58,200
about it since he was by himself he was

447
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:00,660
just watching it he got on the radio

448
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:03,840
right away he called his station

449
00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:07,620
they in turn those contact do you

450
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:09,320
remember his name

451
00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:20,630
he radioed them and his vehicle at this

452
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:23,160
time uh

453
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:26,760
it kind of hovered or hesitated it moved

454
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:27,960
very slow

455
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,000
uh so it monitored our traffic or if it

456
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,799
was monitoring our traffic or whatever

457
00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:36,240
it was doing

458
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,820
when they started talking about the

459
00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:40,799
possibility of

460
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:43,860
Jets being scrambled to maybe possibly

461
00:21:48,649 --> 00:21:46,020
intercepted or what was this talk at

462
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:48,659
this was in Conway Pennsylvania on the

463
00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:51,900
radio on their police radio yes sure uh

464
00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:54,840
what happened at that time well we

465
00:21:59,210 --> 00:21:56,940
thought that they had scrambled some

466
00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:59,220
fighters to try to intercept it upon

467
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,659
this

468
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,600
the vehicle then started a vertical

469
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,360
flight

470
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:08,400
at the

471
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,240
ship or whatever it was remained uh what

472
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:14,940
would appear to me to be perfectly level

473
00:22:23,169 --> 00:22:18,600
and its position and if that is what you

474
00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,179
mean attitude is uh level and didn't uh

475
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:25,980
like a plane would have to change its

476
00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:28,260
angle and climb this thing appeared to

477
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,659
me to be level at this time and the

478
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:32,820
flight was completely vertical

479
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,659
it's altitude gain was I couldn't I

480
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,600
wouldn't even Venture gases to the speed

481
00:22:43,010 --> 00:22:41,760
on him at this distance were you looking

482
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,020
through your windshield of this thing or

483
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:44,640
outside of the car oh so the four of us

484
00:22:55,090 --> 00:22:50,390
into the sky at the point at it right

485
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,770
point where you would imagine it to be I

486
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,179
would say that at this time it was and

487
00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:02,880
it was just clear of this uh of the

488
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,159
rooftops

489
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,440
who was the television antenna there I

490
00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:09,720
would say was a 10 foot mass pole it was

491
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:12,299
just about where the antenna Parts be

492
00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:15,299
looks around here around 25 degrees yes

493
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:18,140
sir at this point

494
00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:22,020
uh the vehicle at this position would

495
00:23:26,830 --> 00:23:25,020
tend to the north side of the moon

496
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:26,840
a uh

497
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:30,419
moon was almost due east there was

498
00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:35,400
another bright object in the sky

499
00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:38,340
just out from the Moon on what side the

500
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,960
writer left now it was on the south side

501
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:41,600
of which would have been the right place

502
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:43,980
I don't know what it was but it was

503
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,179
Pride

504
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:49,200
uh it wasn't a very big object but it

505
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,240
was a fight object why do you say it

506
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,559
wasn't a big object were you comparing

507
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,200
it to something well yes so we could

508
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:57,240
bring it to comparing it to the this

509
00:24:01,549 --> 00:23:59,280
vehicle or whatever it was that was

510
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:01,559
closer this way to us that the one you

511
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:03,539
had been watching all the time yes sir

512
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:06,720
uh to describe it if you look at it it

513
00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:09,659
would have looked like a

514
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:17,090
a dime if you looked at one and a

515
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,600
quarter if you looked at the other one

516
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,700
that's something to this effect I mean

517
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:22,140
it wouldn't actually be this big but

518
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,640
this is uh yeah I see what you're

519
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,440
talking about the comparative sizes

520
00:24:30,649 --> 00:24:27,960
this vehicle then never changed

521
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:30,659
directions except for straight up we we

522
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:33,480
observed this uh we observed this

523
00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:37,440
Cruiser uh this uh

524
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,340
Airline this passenger plane a large jet

525
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:43,500
airliner

526
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:46,860
taking off from Pittsburgh I this

527
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,299
Saturday is where it came from and

528
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:50,720
watched this plane going for altitude

529
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,020
side directly beneath this object

530
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:57,120
and make no no change of Direction just

531
00:25:01,549 --> 00:24:59,280
went right by right by it we went right

532
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:01,559
by it and it didn't seem it seemed as

533
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:03,539
though the plane was flying in a

534
00:25:09,529 --> 00:25:06,780
distinct uh line or maybe going for a

535
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:09,539
compass heading I have not the faintest

536
00:25:14,029 --> 00:25:11,220
idea of

537
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:14,039
but in in in his actions it did not

538
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,260
appear to uh try any pursuit or anything

539
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,480
like that it didn't uh didn't act as

540
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:21,360
though it had seen or anything

541
00:25:26,769 --> 00:25:25,140
the object so it was closer to you at

542
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,779
that time was the plane closer to you

543
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,520
the plane was closer to me it was very

544
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:31,500
large and very distinct it was real

545
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:37,190
um when I say A flew underneath to the

546
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:39,000
directly underneath it I mean that it

547
00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:42,299
was below just object in elevation right

548
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:44,940
in elevation you could look

549
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,039
or the play playing as the objects right

550
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,600
which

551
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:53,820
from then the only fight that this thing

552
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:57,720
made seem to be straight up I saw no

553
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,360
change in directions uh at this time

554
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:03,000
there was radio traffic on Conway it

555
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:04,980
constantly go up or it is top anytime

556
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,860
all right it went up and made the first

557
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:10,559
time uh I couldn't say what its full

558
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:14,940
game was uh it hesitated or paused or

559
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:25,430
uh at this time as I said we were still

560
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:28,200
observing it to four officers uh it was

561
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:32,100
myself uh Frank from Conway also Wayne

562
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:33,539
from

563
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,279
we were watching it they informed us to

564
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,020
call a number in Pittsburgh right away

565
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:46,080
that they want some information

566
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:51,659
um we made this call we followed the car

567
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:53,700
he showed us where to go

568
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:56,820
we went in we made the call I

569
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,000
tried to give him a basic idea of what

570
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,520
we had followed or seen or as best we

571
00:27:06,169 --> 00:27:04,200
could describe it by this time the

572
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:06,179
object had already been disappeared no

573
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,279
sir well I don't know that it had

574
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:10,320
disappeared we were we could still see

575
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:12,659
it when we it was moving that slowly yes

576
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:14,940
sir we could still see it when we how

577
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,140
many minutes did it take from the time

578
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:18,240
that you actually got out of the car and

579
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:20,039
actually started to watch it at the time

580
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,299
to the time you drove away to make his

581
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,279
telephone call

582
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,799
I'd say the four of us together I would

583
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:28,320
have to check it I would say it was we

584
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,700
observed this vehicle at this point uh

585
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:35,340
for better than 20 minutes now from the

586
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:37,559
time it started to rise to the time that

587
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,820
you actually went away from it how long

588
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,080
was that

589
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:42,059
I would say uh

590
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,240
about 10 minutes about 10 minutes yes

591
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:47,039
sir

592
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:49,980
okay about 10 minutes I I like I said

593
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,860
there was a definite rise a definite

594
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,900
rise it was a debt it wasn't a real real

595
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:56,460
slow thing but you could actually make

596
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,700
it you could see the definite rise the

597
00:28:04,090 --> 00:28:02,880
only thing that changed was the light as

598
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,100
this

599
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:07,200
vehicle powered itself or done whatever

600
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,100
it done I don't know just like was was

601
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,039
so distinct and that was so bright that

602
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,320
it that it could still be seen in broad

603
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:19,260
daylight it was very very never looked

604
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:21,480
black against the uh the lightning sky

605
00:28:26,350 --> 00:28:24,840
in the east no sir the halo around it

606
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:26,360
looked to have a

607
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,860
definite Rim that might be considered to

608
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:31,440
be gray or something to this effect but

609
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:35,460
the object itself was never silhouetted

610
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:37,740
uh never became like a dark object

611
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,679
against a light sky no sir no sir just

612
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:43,320
all we could see was the

613
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:46,620
bottom of whatever this craft or

614
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:47,700
whatever you want to call it right

615
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:50,370
before

616
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:51,900
[Music]

617
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,960
what happened to it or we thought that

618
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:57,679
didn't anybody stay there to observe it

619
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:00,720
no so we uh we were four of us left

620
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,140
together I I didn't nobody you didn't

621
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:07,140
leave anybody behind no sir we didn't

622
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,460
know where to go to make the phone call

623
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,320
they said they wanted to talk to us and

624
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:12,659
Frank had to show us where to go do you

625
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:14,760
know who you talked to I have a famous

626
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,640
idea I just know that he's a are

627
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:19,320
supposed to be one of the air officers

628
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,620
or I don't know if he's with Aeronautics

629
00:29:26,289 --> 00:29:25,020
I don't I I don't have a famous idea I

630
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,299
know that

631
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:28,799
we went in the police department and

632
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:31,080
Frank dialed this number that was left

633
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,059
for him to call I know that the last

634
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,240
number was uh in the 400s or four zeros

635
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:38,399
or something

636
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,179
um

637
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:41,520
I explained it to the guy he says I'll

638
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:43,820
forward this to Wright Patterson

639
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:46,740
at the time we thought there was radar

640
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:48,419
contact I

641
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,100
you thought for sure there must have

642
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,320
been from Pittsburgh huh yes sir I I

643
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:54,480
thought there was evidently I was misled

644
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:58,500
uh Dale uh I think uh this part right

645
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,880
here and we've had enough of that part

646
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:01,860
right there I I'm trying to try to keep

647
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,260
you in your time limit here now what

648
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,940
we're going to do now is there anything

649
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,399
significant from this point on

650
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:10,559
your setting was ended wasn't it at that

651
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,380
time now let's go backwards now and go

652
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:14,880
back to the time when you first saw the

653
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:18,240
object okay okay will you describe uh

654
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,860
would you describe what you uh the the

655
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:23,039
light underneath it and what your idea

656
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:26,940
was about about that light

657
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,240
well are you able to look at it no sir

658
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,179
not directly you when when you when you

659
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:36,559
when it was first observed uh

660
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:38,820
momentary I may have been looking

661
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:42,659
directly at it it was very uh purified

662
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:45,840
or a blue light like a mercury vapor

663
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:48,539
light it was uh

664
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,200
when this thing first started up this

665
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,600
home that we could hear in the area

666
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,460
um if it was from this

667
00:31:02,810 --> 00:30:59,820
when it increased as it went up to this

668
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:02,820
50 or 100 feet or whatever it was or

669
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:06,659
whatever the actual height was we primed

670
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,299
the sin increased and from that point

671
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:11,760
as the brightness increase the hum

672
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:14,460
increase and I didn't increase it just

673
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,440
change change to a higher or lower pitch

674
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:18,600
you know it was a higher I guess you'd

675
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,539
call it it was a

676
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,299
increase like uh

677
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,159
I've heard it sounds similar to it

678
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:28,080
before but I I can't remember what it

679
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,220
was it

680
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:32,159
and Scottish sound like was there a

681
00:31:39,730 --> 00:31:37,020
vibration like a uh hmm no it was not a

682
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:39,740
pulsating uh thing this was to stay

683
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,380
definitely a a a study thing there was

684
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:46,080
no weird noise there's no beep beeps or

685
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:47,220
uh

686
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:53,760
from that point on until after the

687
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:56,039
vehicle moved away from us the Sun the

688
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,480
only thing that you could observe that

689
00:32:02,570 --> 00:31:59,340
it was very large

690
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,580
uh seem to be covering a great deal of

691
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:04,500
the highway well how about uh when you

692
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,299
put your hands out and showed me an

693
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,880
outstretched uh I asked you uh to

694
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:11,039
actually get the distance between all

695
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,080
stretched hands and ask you how far

696
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:15,120
apart were they how how far apart would

697
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,679
you put your hands again

698
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,200
could you show me right now some cover

699
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,120
edge to edge as you watch the object

700
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,559
just right over the top of your horse as

701
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,480
it was when it started over that's right

702
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:28,080
before it started up with yeah I would

703
00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:30,179
all right

704
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:33,659
the race between the two the one taller

705
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,700
tree and a short one on the bottom to

706
00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:38,220
hold one hand to look at the tree the

707
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:39,899
tree on the lower side where this

708
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:42,179
tireless Affair was that I showed you

709
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:43,620
last night

710
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:45,179
and there would have been about like

711
00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:48,059
that which the officer here is is

712
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:50,039
holding his hands apart at least four

713
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,580
and a half feet yes sure it uh and now

714
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,039
that would be if you

715
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,760
I would judge it to be between that tree

716
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,159
and to give it any lines that's the

717
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:04,320
lightness making it look larger I would

718
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,159
say it was probably close to 50 feet

719
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,200
between the two trees

720
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:12,539
what was the estimated diameter of the

721
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:13,860
object then

722
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:18,600
and the diameter I I estimated that if I

723
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,899
was playing it safe I say from 35 to 45

724
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:23,460
or 50 feet

725
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:25,740
depending on how thick that light is

726
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:28,500
around the Whatever It Is Well let's

727
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:31,019
forget just what you can see what about

728
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:32,460
the depth of it

729
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:34,740
the deaths of it at this point you

730
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:36,899
couldn't determined until it started

731
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:40,200
this slant move and when it did

732
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,659
so the thickness of the vehicle at my me

733
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,700
estimating the sickness of it I would

734
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:49,679
say was at least

735
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,039
18 feet thick I don't know how much was

736
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:55,080
in that light or how deep that light was

737
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:59,580
because I don't know what would be

738
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,380
dark enough that you could look through

739
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,299
well let's compare it as long as you're

740
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,799
talking about light let's forget about

741
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:06,240
you couldn't see anything through the

742
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:07,320
light so let's use the light as a

743
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,020
compare as your outer edge okay now if

744
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,480
your outer edge is 40 to 50 feet

745
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:14,820
uh would you still say that the debt

746
00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:16,260
from the from the bottom of the light to

747
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:19,379
the top of the rounded area uh was uh 18

748
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,919
feet that much I would say that no no no

749
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:24,960
because I would say that that's almost

750
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:28,080
halfway I I would say that um

751
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,280
that uh the top from uh I was when I say

752
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,159
18 to 24 feet I am figuring that there

753
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:36,800
is as much

754
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:41,580
below midship as there is above it oh I

755
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:42,659
see that in other words you talk about

756
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:44,580
nine to twelve feet above it then only

757
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:47,639
on one side yes sir okay see that's all

758
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,260
you could see wasn't it yes you could

759
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:51,659
only see uh something that was not all

760
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:53,820
lit up just at the very top over the top

761
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:56,339
part of the area now you also showed my

762
00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:59,400
picture here uh in making the object

763
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:01,800
that there was a sort of a uh after the

764
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,420
rumors whatever it might have been there

765
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,060
was a sort of an off not an offset but

766
00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:08,760
it sort of uh came in at like a step yes

767
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,859
it stepped Inward and then it rose again

768
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:12,780
and rounded at the top is that right it

769
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:18,000
was yet uh and at this point when it

770
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:22,200
would angle towards us the uh disc

771
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,320
wasn't turned too much like this this is

772
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:28,200
you couldn't see a full top view if it

773
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:29,940
was stepped in you couldn't see this

774
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:32,940
part of the vehicle but you could make

775
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:35,160
out this uh

776
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:39,240
Master fair that was coming out of it if

777
00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:41,940
you've ever looked down at the top we

778
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:45,800
couldn't see anything but this profile

779
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,020
the silhouette of the one side is the

780
00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:51,180
angle because the Turning of the ship

781
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:54,020
wasn't wasn't radical at all

782
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,780
it was not radical enough to to view

783
00:36:02,530 --> 00:36:00,000
More Than This One partial silhouette

784
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:02,540
which I would say was uh

785
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,000
maybe a little less than half on it

786
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,400
because you could make out from this

787
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:11,040
Mass to a fair or whatever this

788
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:13,740
projection or whatever purpose of serve

789
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,040
I I don't have a famous idea uh I

790
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,740
thought it to be an antennae or I don't

791
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,300
know why I was the first thing come to

792
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,940
my mind after

793
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,119
I had observed long enough well

794
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:29,280
something picking up would you probably

795
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:32,280
mean an antenna yes sure and so I don't

796
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,960
know how to make me say antenna I just

797
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:36,720
that was the thing that hit my mind uh

798
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:39,660
it was very clear this this one uh

799
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:43,200
portion of this uh this thing at least

800
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,800
this much of the angle as it felted uh

801
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,960
was clear now that the part was clear

802
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,700
yeah it was unlighted is that right

803
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:53,040
there was uh it was not illuminated the

804
00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:56,460
only glare on the I don't know if the

805
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,300
vehicle had angled a little more uh I

806
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:01,920
don't believe the rest of it to have

807
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:04,260
been lighted paint but at the angle that

808
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:05,280
it was

809
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:08,099
and illumination from this Outer Rim

810
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:10,619
would have had our view obstructed of

811
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:11,700
any

812
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:14,040
further determination uh would have

813
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:16,980
taken a point on a raise or something

814
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,200
where we might have been up higher uh

815
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,700
right or if we'd have been no just

816
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,440
raised area did you see it silhouetted

817
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,140
against the sky yes sir and did it uh

818
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:29,880
What uh what would it appear to be made

819
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:32,520
of what color was it uh

820
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:36,420
it appeared to me to be a like a an

821
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:40,380
aluminum or an alloy uh not of a real

822
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,359
polished uh it was shiny but not when I

823
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:46,800
say

824
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:50,640
I said I don't mean like Chrome I don't

825
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:55,140
mean uh this shiny I mean like

826
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:02,510
of an aluminum that is that hasn't been

827
00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:05,099
polished ah I mean a lot of the pro a

828
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,900
little bit right well it used to be

829
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:08,520
shiny but it's not so shiny now this is

830
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:11,339
too big but it it didn't appear to be uh

831
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:14,640
bright like a silver dollar there was no

832
00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:17,700
Detail no holes no no portholes no no

833
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,900
openings visible to either myself or or

834
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,240
to the other officers that anyone could

835
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:26,640
make out there was no

836
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:29,640
uh doorways or

837
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,859
anything now this question here you

838
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:33,839
talked about when the object came over

839
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:36,060
you it was it an attitude that was

840
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:37,500
practically level with the ground in

841
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,540
other words horizontal then as it moved

842
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:41,520
over to the north it slammed it didn't

843
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:44,460
it yes sort of like a like a shovel

844
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:46,619
would uh downward and a little bit right

845
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,579
now in which uh what part was headed in

846
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:52,260
a direction it was moving was it the

847
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:53,460
rounded part or was it although the

848
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:56,280
shiny area no the round is probably the

849
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,880
the line every time it changed

850
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:02,460
directions whenever it angles yeah the

851
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,619
light would be following or would it be

852
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,720
ahead we would be following it was

853
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:08,640
projected from behind when you were

854
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:11,760
following him if at an angle

855
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,280
when you looked at the back end the only

856
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:16,160
thing that you could make

857
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,099
was this a circular uh it was in a

858
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,800
perfect circle but it was a circle a

859
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:25,619
the light may have distorted it some I

860
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:27,320
could not say most

861
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,300
all very bright as you followed it even

862
00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:33,000
right as I followed it did you ever in

863
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:35,099
other words you never as you followed

864
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:36,300
the object and it was not ahead of you

865
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:38,940
you never actually saw this rounded area

866
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:42,119
the the part that wasn't uh illuminated

867
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,520
no so the only time we could see this

868
00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:47,520
thing uh the any part of the metallic

869
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:50,060
thing was when it would make a maneuver

870
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:54,180
uh when it would change its uh trim uh

871
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,960
and want to move either a little to the

872
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:00,240
South a little to the north if it want

873
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:02,940
to move South these top

874
00:40:08,109 --> 00:40:06,260
part of this craft or whatever it was

875
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:08,119
the

876
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:17,099
projecting from following right right it

877
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:17,760
um

878
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:22,020
it never changed colors that the only

879
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,020
thing it did get brighter or as soon as

880
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,619
if what I would call or did State I I

881
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,480
couldn't prove it that like if it

882
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:33,680
accelerated for height or

883
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:36,780
for controlled purpose of navigation or

884
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:39,660
whatever it was doing at this time it

885
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:43,520
did gain more intense in the light

886
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,900
you never say smoke or any Trail or

887
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,280
anything like that there was no Vapor

888
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,740
Trails from it at all it was I saw news

889
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,660
you would never tell it was revolving or

890
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:53,280
anything like that no sir if there was

891
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,839
anything spinning it was under the light

892
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,820
that couldn't be seen would you say that

893
00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:58,680
would you say that the uh the part of

894
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:01,079
the object which was low now describe

895
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,280
this even though you talked about the

896
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,099
right part This brilliant area was it

897
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:06,900
fuzzy or blurred or was it sharpening

898
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:10,020
outline no it was well the outer rim of

899
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,020
it there was a

900
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:16,260
probably to me at this time it did look

901
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,619
as though it was on a halo effect on the

902
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:22,619
Outer Rim the light beneath it was very

903
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,220
sharp very uh it was not fuzzy when it

904
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:28,800
was moving in front of me it was a like

905
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,579
a concentrated uh very well controlled

906
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,000
even flow of light was it what shape was

907
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:39,420
that light behind it the light didn't

908
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:42,480
come down into a full cone it came down

909
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:47,579
it it I wouldn't estimate the exact

910
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,280
length of it uh well as compared to the

911
00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:52,980
craft compared to the craft I would say

912
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:55,980
that the light probably extended

913
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:58,380
or appeared to me at this distance of

914
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:01,500
the light actually curtail herself in

915
00:42:07,089 --> 00:42:03,380
midair at about

916
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:07,099
150 feet or so like

917
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:10,740
this brightness uh for instance when

918
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,619
this light was shining clearly you could

919
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:15,839
see through this light

920
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:19,079
it would have taken uh

921
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,540
in other words just other than the outer

922
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:23,460
rim of the light itself

923
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:27,480
you would have to have a smoke or

924
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,579
some kind of a dust particle or

925
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:31,320
something flowing through it so that

926
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:34,920
maybe you could have determined a shame

927
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:37,560
a particular shape or a beam from it

928
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:40,740
otherwise other than the immediate goal

929
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,599
from beneath it as though it's set on

930
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:44,640
this

931
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:50,630
in other words what you're saying is

932
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,900
even though it illuminated the ground

933
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:54,720
when it was low it there wasn't you

934
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:56,099
could you could not see the light come

935
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:57,300
from the object down to the ground

936
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,920
because he's right through it right and

937
00:43:01,849 --> 00:43:00,000
yet it was a little late in the ground

938
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,859
yes sir and then you couldn't see any

939
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:03,780
beam or anything like that no sure it

940
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,980
apparently was coming from the object

941
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:07,920
but you couldn't tell where it started

942
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,720
and where it finished mostly because you

943
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:11,760
could look up at the object the area was

944
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:13,260
just illuminated

945
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:16,740
was aluminated widely uh what was the

946
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:19,560
radius of the cars I I couldn't

947
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,680
right at this point uh I I wouldn't want

948
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,720
to even estimate the radius so I was

949
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,060
scared to death I uh I mean I'm pregnant

950
00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:30,119
on bones about telling it I I

951
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:32,339
was the first I didn't even know if I

952
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:35,640
could go or not you know I I was uh I

953
00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:37,020
was real scared

954
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:39,980
I uh did you feel the heat

955
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,099
uh the only heat I did to a heat I can I

956
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:46,319
more or less thought that this was my

957
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:48,839
adrenaline coming up this field of fear

958
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:51,720
and but you didn't actually think you

959
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:53,220
felt the heat from the object I don't

960
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:55,980
know my heart was surrounded pound my

961
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:58,859
badge off I I know I could

962
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,160
uh I know that I have this uh

963
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,760
real weird feeling I could I you know

964
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,319
did you know something that was feeling

965
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:09,420
like

966
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,180
he was very pale I that's about the only

967
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:14,400
thing I'm getting caught

968
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:18,060
no I I don't think for the first two

969
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:20,040
minutes I don't think I'd have fun for a

970
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,980
start and you stood did you stay two

971
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:25,200
minutes before you went into the car

972
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:27,720
I don't really know it may have been it

973
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,880
was like being hypnotized that I knew I

974
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:31,740
kept feeling that

975
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,460
I wanted something between me and it I

976
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:38,640
I don't know if if I moved if it would

977
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,119
do anything to me or who wouldn't I uh

978
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:44,280
when I made a decision

979
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:46,020
uh

980
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:47,579
the only thing I could think of was

981
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:49,619
getting in the car I don't suppose they

982
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,420
had any good if this thing was going

983
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:53,760
through Us in or something that's right

984
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:55,079
let me ask you a question are you

985
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:56,220
talking about this business of this

986
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,500
light you have the impression and you

987
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:00,480
talked to me last night for some hours

988
00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:02,579
and you have the impression that this

989
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,859
thing was sitting on its own right what

990
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,900
do you mean by sitting on its own body

991
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,020
well to me is

992
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:13,680
it appeared uh it would if I was to

993
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,240
describe it it would be like taking a

994
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,560
really you're talking about proportion

995
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:18,240
yes sir

996
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:20,760
and it's like to me that I don't know

997
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,920
how it does it or what it done it's like

998
00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:25,440
if you turn a real good flashlight

999
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,960
upside down you turned it on and you

1000
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,579
stood it right up on the beam and walked

1001
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,920
off and left a light standing by itself

1002
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:33,359
I would get you in other words it would

1003
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:35,579
be Defying Gravity because of the light

1004
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:37,619
that's what your feeling was

1005
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:40,200
supposed to become noisier at this high

1006
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:45,540
pitch or not well more noise I

1007
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:48,420
uh the only humming I heard all the the

1008
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,280
only time I heard it changed the humming

1009
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,599
absolutely once were in the car and

1010
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:52,560
running

1011
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:56,400
uh it was not the sound of it was

1012
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:58,920
completely obliterated I I could uh I

1013
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:01,079
could pick up nothing from it and you

1014
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,760
had no trouble the radio or the light

1015
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:05,040
beam or your lights or your motor no

1016
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,180
malfunctions with my car at all I uh my

1017
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:12,000
radio uh seemed to be working very well

1018
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,170
I don't remember any other malfunctions

1019
00:46:22,510 --> 00:46:21,359
the carbon real well it performs good it

1020
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:22,520
handled well

1021
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,240
it didn't miss or the lights didn't worn

1022
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:29,520
off I had no malfunctions at all this

1023
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:32,460
stuff you had no inter you had nothing

1024
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,680
no signals of any kind interfering with

1025
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,720
your original not even a coated signal

1026
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,819
nothing like that uh just I couldn't say

1027
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,440
there was one hell of a lot of traffic

1028
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,680
on that radio for a little bit that it

1029
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:45,839
was uh everybody was wondering I was

1030
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:48,060
trying to describe the object after it

1031
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:49,800
started increasing its speed feeling

1032
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,000
that if someone monitoring uh our

1033
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,400
stations monitoring that it I could

1034
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:58,740
describe it that if I wrapped a car up

1035
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:00,119
or something someone would know what

1036
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:03,300
this thing looked like there was no uh

1037
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,500
no uh no interference with my car let me

1038
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,000
ask you one question uh when it was out

1039
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,319
there ahead of you all the time you had

1040
00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:12,119
your eyes on it quite a bit didn't you I

1041
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:14,900
did body Rhymes uh

1042
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,260
other than uh was it too bright and

1043
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:21,599
drive and watch it no after it got away

1044
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:25,200
from us uh we got some distance it was

1045
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,540
it was bright didn't you say it was not

1046
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,000
much more than 300 feet away ahead of

1047
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,819
you yeah that's all I was the altitude

1048
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,319
all the other but what about the

1049
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:36,000
distance I have you had about the length

1050
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:37,800
of a football field so about 100 yards

1051
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,480
it's only about 300 feet away yeah and

1052
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:41,040
you may tell me at 300 feet it didn't

1053
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:44,280
hurt your eyes uh at this time uh after

1054
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:48,060
gained its uh altitude uh

1055
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,619
it was bright but it didn't hurt you

1056
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:52,140
isn't it it didn't uh it didn't seem to

1057
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,380
uh

1058
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:57,180
I I don't think I noticed anything from

1059
00:48:02,210 --> 00:47:59,220
it uh

1060
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,220
at first after we started this Pursuit

1061
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:04,020
it was like being hypnotized for a

1062
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,700
minute or something I mean you've got

1063
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:08,400
this compulsion

1064
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,859
I don't know how to describe it you've

1065
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,300
seen something and you want to see more

1066
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:14,640
of it or you want to I don't know uh

1067
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,200
well at this time when you felt

1068
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:18,000
compelled to go with it that's what

1069
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,440
you're talking about you wanted to go

1070
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:22,500
after it now uh did you feel fear at

1071
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,380
that time well

1072
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:27,660
I was just determined were you both

1073
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,220
working pretty coolly from that point on

1074
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,339
yeah sure very much so I I had

1075
00:48:36,849 --> 00:48:35,040
I had made the statement to Bonnie and

1076
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:36,859
and uh

1077
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:41,220
that we had to try to identify it or to

1078
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,060
tear it up I mean at this point we

1079
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,280
I knew that there was something there

1080
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:49,920
and I won I wanted to see it

1081
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:53,280
I wanted to maintained its course as it

1082
00:49:06,230 --> 00:48:54,140
was

1083
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:06,240
suddenly going to disappear daylight I

1084
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:07,740
don't know if I could see it a daylight

1085
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:10,980
but I knew that if there was wings

1086
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:13,800
or something Towing this light I would

1087
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,500
see another vehicle I would see a I

1088
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:19,200
would see a helicopter or I would see

1089
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:22,440
something that I could uh still to find

1090
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:24,180
it still with this kind of hope that was

1091
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,540
something uh ordinary right this is it I

1092
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:30,180
I approached it I figured well I'll

1093
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:32,280
disprove the theory that this is a

1094
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:36,480
saucer it's a uh if it's a lot of this

1095
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:39,480
Swan gas or something I'll I'll see it

1096
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:41,780
I'll you know

1097
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,260
when when things happen the way they did

1098
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,240
when I was talking to other cars along

1099
00:49:52,670 --> 00:49:50,220
the way that couldn't get to me you need

1100
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:52,680
to tell me none of the cars had a camera

1101
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:55,020
they say the other cars that had cameras

1102
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:57,000
were all on different routes trying to

1103
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:59,880
work to us and they were missing their

1104
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:01,800
connections that such that they couldn't

1105
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:04,200
catch up to us so the cars with the

1106
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,380
campers were

1107
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,640
all behind us because they're funny

1108
00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:11,099
isn't that funny isn't it an amazing

1109
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,359
coincidence and I hear you've got

1110
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,359
something for 85 minutes and uh nobody's

1111
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:17,280
got a camera to take a shot at it uh

1112
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,260
none of the Departments I had us could

1113
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:22,020
seem to and you can feel or coming out

1114
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,200
of Colombiana and

1115
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:26,460
Mahoning County or none of them could

1116
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:28,260
let me ask a question did you ask did

1117
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,280
you get to see the photograph that's

1118
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:31,920
upstairs in the uh in the safe

1119
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,480
now I have one

1120
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,460
you have one

1121
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:37,859
do I get to see that thing yes sure let

1122
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:40,200
me ask you a question does it appear to

1123
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,940
did you look at under a magnifying glass

1124
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,160
no I haven't shown that's what you

1125
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:46,560
should do I did it have any appearance

1126
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:47,940
at all similar to what you thought you

1127
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,599
saw it did so it did Master do you feel

1128
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,700
that it was about the same time was it

1129
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:56,160
around the same time but where was he

1130
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,020
seeing it from a mentalism he would have

1131
00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:59,760
seen it from 20 miles away when he

1132
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,940
photographed 20 miles and he actually

1133
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,920
got something on there he definitely has

1134
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,599
and I'll be more than grab the shorts

1135
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:08,460
are man that must have been a big rocket

1136
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:11,700
I told you it was real big

1137
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:14,700
so let's ask another question here uh

1138
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:17,339
who talked to you when

1139
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:20,520
since the since this thing uh who's

1140
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,960
charged you out I mean with all the

1141
00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:23,579
questions and everything else well I

1142
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,160
talked to Los Angeles California

1143
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,800
Washington DC New York well who are who

1144
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:30,480
are these people that you talk to a

1145
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:33,300
different news media people from uh Nike

1146
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:37,980
cap I talked uh to uh Mr Fowler of my

1147
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:40,619
cap and Boston on a one-hour radio

1148
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,740
program uh through Yankee uh system of

1149
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:46,800
rtio RKO Yankee Studios

1150
00:51:56,170 --> 00:51:52,400
I did about uh 30 or 45 minute uh

1151
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:56,180
overseas broadcast for Voice of America

1152
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:00,119
this is all today I've been in the in BC

1153
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:03,540
I've been interviewed by Sam

1154
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,040
by wkn TB or something out of Youngstown

1155
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,380
TV which came here today and set up in

1156
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:11,599
the courtroom

1157
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:14,460
by the New York papers by the Chicago

1158
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:17,940
papers uh I thought of it covered by one

1159
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:19,980
of you from Los Angeles from

1160
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:23,099
Wright-Patterson field in Columbus yes

1161
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:24,599
sir they did and they're not going to

1162
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:27,900
make a triple here uh no they didn't say

1163
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:30,540
that they uh they uh they won't work on

1164
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,800
it they uh

1165
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:33,900
I don't know what they decide they want

1166
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:37,680
to they would like to analyze the uh uh

1167
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:40,380
the temeculia remain also understand the

1168
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:43,619
tape I suppose I've also spent several

1169
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:46,619
hours again today with Mr Wetzel White's

1170
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,160
yeah Weitzel yeah and uh he's in the

1171
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,319
Pittsburgh nightcap organization yes sir

1172
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:54,960
he's a teacher at the University of

1173
00:53:02,170 --> 00:52:58,200
Pittsburgh yes he told me uh

1174
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:02,180
I spent time with him also with the

1175
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,359
Akron bacon Journal reporter came up was

1176
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:08,880
it her child yes sir it was his fair

1177
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:11,900
child who did Mr Warrick I'm with him

1178
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:14,520
there was an awful lot of people here I

1179
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:16,140
don't know where they were all from they

1180
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:18,359
were from all over do you know who you

1181
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:19,800
talked to the Air Force do you know the

1182
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:22,920
name did you talk to him no he was a

1183
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,020
major it was all I can tell you what's

1184
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,420
that he was a major from Columbus major

1185
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:29,940
yes sir uh

1186
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:31,160
hmm

1187
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:35,160
uh I don't Columbus or or anything uh no

1188
00:53:39,849 --> 00:53:36,780
he was I'm pretty sure he was from

1189
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:39,859
Columbus the sheriff answered the phone

1190
00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:42,540
uh and this uh very early this morning

1191
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,460
when I talked to him

1192
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:46,920
okay well let's see here

1193
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:48,200
you ever seen anything like this before

1194
00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:51,180
no sorry did you ever report seeing a

1195
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:54,440
UFO who knows huh

1196
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,960
I've never seen the I never encountered

1197
00:54:02,329 --> 00:54:00,480
fun I I never even I wonder if there's

1198
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,339
anything missing now let me ask you uh

1199
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:03,960
here just as a couple of questions that

1200
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:05,640
have nothing to do with the sighting has

1201
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:06,540
something to do with your mental

1202
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,819
attitude okay now last night we were

1203
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:10,020
talking remember when we were waiting

1204
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:11,280
for Mr Weitzel to make that long

1205
00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:13,319
telephone call yes and we were talking

1206
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,619
what I told you what would you think

1207
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:18,900
yeah somebody told you

1208
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:21,480
that these were objects of the United

1209
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,700
States of America or

1210
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:25,859
what would what was your first reaction

1211
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:27,240
when I told you that

1212
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:29,099
I'd say we're obviously it's prolonging

1213
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,240
to us that I feel that uh somebody uh

1214
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:35,160
tell us about it or tell me I don't

1215
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,420
think they've got any right to go around

1216
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:38,640
scaring hell out of me with something I

1217
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,140
don't know what it is

1218
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:43,440
I uh I think that if it is ours

1219
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,200
people got a right to know I mean even

1220
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:48,420
if they just basically say that these

1221
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,180
objects are ours they're harmless we're

1222
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:53,520
experimenting with them uh they're part

1223
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:55,800
of the space program or they're going to

1224
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:57,300
be weather Vehicles they're going to be

1225
00:55:01,329 --> 00:55:00,180
used for observation at high altitudes

1226
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,339
of something

1227
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,020
if this is the case and they do belong

1228
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,260
to us I think that we ought to be told I

1229
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:09,119
I think that it's pretty ridiculous

1230
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:12,059
everybody running around

1231
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:15,059
I don't appreciate risk in my life uh

1232
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:17,400
trying to identify something and uh in

1233
00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,900
other words you feel that you feel that

1234
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:20,339
if they're going to test them they

1235
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:21,240
shouldn't test them where they did

1236
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,819
that's right they uh just tell me I I

1237
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,140
don't want to go running up and down the

1238
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:28,140
road 100 miles an hour I don't know uh

1239
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,780
like I said if it belongs to us just

1240
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:32,339
tell me it belongs to us and I'll accept

1241
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,260
it if it doesn't and why the hell and

1242
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:36,540
tell you help me find out what it is

1243
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,059
I I don't mean it that way I mean I

1244
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,220
figure they're they're smarter than I am

1245
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:43,440
I hope uh if they're not we're in

1246
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:45,000
trouble you feel though that they are

1247
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:45,839
not

1248
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,700
that they are the United States products

1249
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:48,960
they should tell us about it number one

1250
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:51,420
if they are if they are sure that they

1251
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,640
are not should they tell us anyway I

1252
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:55,200
believe they should because of the fact

1253
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,460
it would give to get a some kind of a a

1254
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,160
program or an agency to back these other

1255
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:05,220
civilian uh programs or something to try

1256
00:56:11,329 --> 00:56:07,619
to definitely get an identification on

1257
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:11,339
it if uh if it's a foreign ship if it's

1258
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:13,380
Manufacturing in another country or if

1259
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,380
it's uh even from outer space as far as

1260
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:17,520
that goes

1261
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,559
my object is everybody says it's

1262
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:21,599
impossible uh I don't know why the hell

1263
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,920
it would be impossible we're going to

1264
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,960
shoot two men in the space just the next

1265
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:26,640
couple of days

1266
00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:29,579
Russia shot a couple of wides out they

1267
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:30,839
hit the moon

1268
00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:34,140
um who's to say we can't hear that I

1269
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:37,500
mean if if they want to I know that the

1270
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:41,099
things here I would I I definitely want

1271
00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:42,780
to read on it I'm gonna

1272
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:46,200
study it uh not study it I want to know

1273
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:48,780
a little more about it I

1274
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,960
I would like to know uh and just do them

1275
00:56:56,210 --> 00:56:54,000
yeah that's good I wanted to see what

1276
00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:56,220
you did there as far as the quote as

1277
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,500
making a facsimile of uh what you

1278
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:00,540
actually saw there I don't know I think

1279
00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,800
that I've asked almost every question

1280
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:03,300
that I possibly could ask and I'm

1281
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,940
thinking did I miss anything

1282
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:07,440
that's why I'm bothered with there I'm

1283
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:09,240
missing there was no Sonic Boom there

1284
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:10,980
was nothing like that there were no

1285
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:13,619
flashes of light no flashes no thrush

1286
00:57:19,609 --> 00:57:16,880
the noises

1287
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,619
passed over the trees did you notice

1288
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,599
where the trees were moving or not

1289
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:23,640
no I don't know was there any wind that

1290
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,359
night

1291
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:26,880
no the recycling for the weather report

1292
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,400
three mile an hour but did you see

1293
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:31,079
actually uh the object moved over the

1294
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:33,180
tree did you actually see

1295
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,980
that's went over the top of that tree I

1296
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:36,660
uh for that minute when it started

1297
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,540
getting bright I

1298
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:41,520
know number two oh I know hasn't moved

1299
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:43,319
North didn't move over an area of the

1300
00:57:47,170 --> 00:57:44,760
other two trees on the other side yes

1301
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:47,180
sure and did you see any shaking

1302
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,640
I just know that it was over that area I

1303
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:52,559
You couldn't possibly look past this

1304
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,220
vehicle to have seen it it would have

1305
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:58,200
have been so bright it was too bright

1306
00:58:01,970 --> 00:57:59,280
and uh

1307
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:01,980
I I wasn't paying any attention to trees

1308
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,300
either I

1309
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:06,000
at that point it would be very hard to

1310
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:07,980
describe if anything you know I said no

1311
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:10,680
we've got also your observation was made

1312
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:12,420
outside the car with a naked eye and

1313
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:14,040
you've got good Vision right 20 20

1314
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:16,260
vision and uh you also saw it through

1315
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,819
the windshield all the way through the

1316
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:20,700
big chase right and then sometimes when

1317
00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:22,140
it was sideways you could see it through

1318
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:24,800
the open window yes sir

1319
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:28,020
it was uh it was not always right in

1320
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:29,280
front of me

1321
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:31,859
and now the other point is that I I want

1322
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:34,260
to make again you made your point before

1323
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:35,760
on a straight

1324
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,740
when the object shifted positions from

1325
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:39,720
your left to your right

1326
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:41,099
yes

1327
00:58:47,089 --> 00:58:43,799
was the road straight or curved it was

1328
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,099
straight it was a distinct maneuver it

1329
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:49,920
is a vehicle itself

1330
00:58:57,730 --> 00:58:53,940
we we didn't change directions uh it's a

1331
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:57,740
time that this uh whatever it is

1332
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,660
maneuvered right it definitely had

1333
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:03,119
control now number two I want your own

1334
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:06,960
idea your own inner thinking about what

1335
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:08,579
the heck this thing was doing he was

1336
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,910
uh my own idea

1337
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:15,960
of what he was doing right the reason I

1338
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:17,700
brought this up is because you expressed

1339
00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:21,000
yourself last night I felt that this

1340
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,059
thing one to observe me as bad as I want

1341
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:26,700
to observe it it was like him watching

1342
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:28,859
me why I watched it so to speak well let

1343
00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:30,299
me ask your question why didn't you slow

1344
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:32,760
down to about 70 miles an hour and see

1345
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:34,200
what it would do

1346
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:37,619
I don't know it's like uh like I said

1347
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:40,140
and maybe it would have slowed down this

1348
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,880
is possibly true and yet you were doing

1349
00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:44,160
103 mile an hour 100 mile an hour across

1350
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:45,960
the countryside just and you can slow

1351
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:48,599
down at all no I just was compelled that

1352
00:59:53,530 --> 00:59:51,299
I just I don't know I just felt that I

1353
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:53,540
had to drive this fast to stay with it I

1354
01:00:01,010 --> 00:59:58,559
I don't uh I know that it waited for me

1355
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:01,020
and positive that I know that that was

1356
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:03,180
an hallucination there was another car

1357
01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:05,579
behind me and he witnessed the same

1358
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:07,859
thing what about these other cars now

1359
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:10,260
that uh that uh were trying to catch up

1360
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:11,400
so that they could use their cameras

1361
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:13,619
were they able to see the objects they

1362
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,140
were never they were never uh they were

1363
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:18,960
all so far behind entangled up in the

1364
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,460
direction did you ever see the object

1365
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:22,680
itself none of them have stated to me I

1366
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,180
haven't talked to any of them I haven't

1367
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:26,880
I never had an opportunity from then

1368
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,980
until now and then it's been a

1369
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,900
never-ending thing since this started I

1370
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:32,880
haven't had a chance to besides that man

1371
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,940
right there uh Gerald Booker uh the

1372
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,920
chief leases at Mantua was there any

1373
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:39,660
other observations made around you that

1374
01:00:43,549 --> 01:00:41,400
you know about I'm talking about at the

1375
01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:43,559
time when yours was made at five o'clock

1376
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:47,339
there was one uh fellow ending in our

1377
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:49,020
organization

1378
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:51,420
the state that he was on his way back

1379
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:54,180
from the Emporium in Akron that he's

1380
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,180
seen it uh just one bright object to him

1381
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:59,040
from his distance of

1382
01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:01,500
which is undetermined was about the size

1383
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,260
of a basketball from where he was at

1384
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,480
and the distance at this time was

1385
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:08,400
undetermined that how far it was away

1386
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:11,579
from him the same as it was from Jerry

1387
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:14,880
and manaway and also see what we need is

1388
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,619
we need guys on the opposite side don't

1389
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,720
we yes sir so that we could get some

1390
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:20,400
kind of a triangulation we could get

1391
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:22,260
that you'll find out exactly how far

1392
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:24,780
away his camera shot was uh

1393
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:27,780
this lady seen it at the time she called

1394
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:30,480
was almost the same time the jury was

1395
01:01:36,049 --> 01:01:32,819
photographing it now who the lady was

1396
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:36,059
that called in at Summit County knows uh

1397
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:38,040
this I don't know because I haven't

1398
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:40,500
talked to him is sure someone coming yes

1399
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:43,920
they should know they they talked to Bob

1400
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:45,900
on the radio they told him that this

1401
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:47,880
lady hadn't made a sighting we made a

1402
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:49,859
check of it and we don't know what it is

1403
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,020
well if Summit County doesn't know I

1404
01:01:55,609 --> 01:01:53,760
wouldn't have the famous idea I know

1405
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:55,619
that we also went to check up Medina can

1406
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,760
I was supposed to be a photograph taken

1407
01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:58,319
over there in Medina oh I didn't know

1408
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,780
and we couldn't find out either I hadn't

1409
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,119
heard that I I just know that this lady

1410
01:02:09,609 --> 01:02:06,180
called it in uh Summit County relayed

1411
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:09,619
the message to our dispatcher Bob Wilson

1412
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:13,200
I uh from that I I don't know what

1413
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:14,760
source the call came from or the lady

1414
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,700
that reported it I just know that he

1415
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:19,920
gave the traffic to our County it was

1416
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:23,819
too low for an aircraft or a star a two

1417
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:25,260
large and too high for a street light

1418
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,540
and there was no radar account no radar

1419
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,520
report not to my knowledge nowhere along

1420
01:02:34,849 --> 01:02:31,920
the line uh the only one that we thought

1421
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:34,859
was observing it uh put a radar or could

1422
01:02:42,130 --> 01:02:39,180
have been they've denied it now so if

1423
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,140
contact was made

1424
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:44,520
they wrapped it up and are keeping it

1425
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,640
there for purposes unknown to me at this

1426
01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:49,680
time I don't I don't know any anything

1427
01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:52,140
about that at all and now that's just a

1428
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,839
little publicized Mr spark uh are you

1429
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:56,880
willing to allow us to use your name for

1430
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:59,160
publicity purposes like this talk about

1431
01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:00,240
it there are meetings and things like

1432
01:03:04,370 --> 01:03:02,339
that I don't uh mind I don't want my

1433
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:04,380
address publicized I won't because I

1434
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:05,660
don't know it right

1435
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:09,599
I uh I don't I know in my home disturbed

1436
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:13,160
because of it I I that's why I want to

1437
01:03:19,930 --> 01:03:15,900
get as much of this that will help

1438
01:03:22,849 --> 01:03:19,940
people in Your Capacity if this is a

1439
01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:22,859
thing that you're you're working on to

1440
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:25,799
definitely identify uh

1441
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:29,880
and this is a help to these people I

1442
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,319
don't mind at all

1443
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,319
for someone is curious wanting you to

1444
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,720
repeat a story a million times you get

1445
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,119
found out there's no basic reason uh

1446
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:42,000
this is very time I've

1447
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:44,760
you can't even know I'm definitely am I

1448
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,440
I've been here since eight o'clock this

1449
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:49,440
morning and I thought that possibly if I

1450
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:51,660
just stick it out and can give everyone

1451
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,880
the information that they want

1452
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:55,680
that uh

1453
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,099
possibly uh if it will help

1454
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:02,400
I'm grateful uh for the privilege of

1455
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:04,740
even being able to possibly either

1456
01:04:10,910 --> 01:04:07,260
approve or just prove it so what are my

1457
01:04:13,609 --> 01:04:10,920
own benefit I would love to know

1458
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:13,619
I wish now that I had read of them I I

1459
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:15,900
wish I knew you don't have to

1460
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:17,579
you know a lot of us read and read and

1461
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:19,740
read never seen but uh here you are and

1462
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:20,940
you say you haven't read much but here

1463
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:23,220
you've got to see time now uh one point

1464
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:25,260
I just wanted to fill in here I was here

1465
01:04:28,849 --> 01:04:26,700
I've been here since six o'clock myself

1466
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:28,859
in the area see I went down there and I

1467
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:31,500
ran a radar cop all over that field and

1468
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:32,760
I found absolutely nothing I was out

1469
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:34,440
there for about an hour I got to stop

1470
01:04:37,789 --> 01:04:35,880
walking around that down area for about

1471
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:37,799
an hour I could find no evidence at all

1472
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:39,900
I thought I'd add that to the tape and I

1473
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:42,900
thank you very very much uh uh deputy

1474
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,599
sheriff Dale's far uh for your

1475
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,280
tremendous cooperation and I'll have to

1476
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:50,160
say it in every sense of the word and I

1477
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:51,599
thank you for the finest investigative

1478
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:54,319
committee uh signing off